“nationally noted toxicologist Barry Logan said Eugene’s behavior was consistent with “bath salts” and that toxicologists “are not testing for everything that may be out there.””
interesting. thanks for sharing
If I recall, the formulation of the products was changing rapidly and completely because of the game of Whack-a-Mole that the manufacturers were playing with the government and legalization so the chemical and the effects of the chemical would shift entirely from one batch to another, sometimes even within the same product (government was outlawing specific molecules, the manufacturers would come out with new ones, etc.) and the medical examiners weren’t testing for everything at the time.
I believe that the general consensus is that he WAS on bath salts, but the type he had gotten was very new and wasn’t being tested for yet.
The thing to remember is that “bath salts” is a catch-all term for all of the weird synthetic gas station drugs you could buy at the time. It’s more accurate to say that he didn’t test positive for THE SPECIFIC TYPES that they tested for.
There is speculation that the “Miami Cannibal’s” reaction was the result of smoking a Synthetic Cannabinoid or “legal weed” that had maintained branding but changed ingredients to stay ahead of the wack-a-mole legislation that comes with trying to outlaw specific chemicals one at a time.
So someone buys “AK47 KUSH” (example) from a bodega, package is the same, but the synthetic cannabinoid inside is a completely new mixture. Person who has smoked said “brand” before has a completely different and violent reaction to this new strain.
Miami was (and is) a huge market for synthetic cannabinoids and possible that a first wave of new synthetics would land their first.
When a toxicology report is done post-mortem, often they are checking for a panel of specific drugs and would not be looking for the very specific synthetic cannabis, but may turn up traces of THC often found in such mixes.
Here’s an article from the New England Jornal of Medicine that breaks down exactly such a case where a new synthetic caused a wave of zombie-like symptoms upon release.
Just wanna say for everyone highlighting the weed/psychosis theory: this is not a normal psychosis, obviously, and I have never heard of anyone getting superhuman strength and becoming cannibalistic to such an extent due to weed induced psychosis. Let’s change the stigma around psychosis please.
This information was released very quickly after the attack. I remember it well. They said the attacker only had marijuana in his system, so the attack was just mental illness, not drug induced.
But no one cared about the facts, because the story about a drug making people into cannibals was too tantalizing and sensational.
I can’t believe they wrongfully tarnished the bath salts reputation with such allegations! I didn’t buy any because of that! I gotta call my guy Chemist Steve for a plug real quick.
If anyone is curious about the victim, he was able to recover with a bunch of skin grafts, his medical bills were apparently handled, but he is permanently blind and missing his nose. He also has a place to stay now at the hospital.
Because of this post, I learned today that there are two cannibal killers in Florida from the 2010s. I thought this was about Austin harrouff. His toxicology also came back normal.
I’m old enough to remember when “bath salts” were items solely used for taking a bath. When the illicit drug version first emerged the media didn’t differentiate between the two. And people thought that literal bath salts were being abused, as opposed to a chemical concoction with the slang name “Bath Salts”.
I think the most we can say is it’s inconclusive. Yes, “bath salts” are an umbrella term and testing for them is trying to hit a moving target, but that’s not proof he was on them, they’re just reasons to not discount the theory.
For me the real lesson is “any police officer is treated as an ‘official source’ by journalists, regardless of qualifications”. If I remember right, the bath salts theory was basically a guess by a beat cop that became national news.
(As a side note, this story always rubbed me the wrong way. It was immediately meme’d to death and the idea a drug is 100% responsible is way too convenient.)
20 years as ER physician we have no tests for bath salts. Would only pop if had amphetamines. I’m not sure what specific assays pathologists have for autopsy
When this happened there was a man in Miami who was about to release a new brand of “bath salts”. His brand was Ricky Ross fire ant killer. He spent close to a million dollars for the rights to use Rick Ross’s name (the real freeway Rick Ross). This guy not only helped pushed the bath salts narrative to news outlets ,but also insisted that the homeless gentleman did it on the Rick Ross fire ant killer product. This ended up skyrocketing sales of his product. I worked in the industry with his brother and watched it happen in real time.
Well fuck, I thought we had the solution down pat, but apparently bath salts do not make zombies. Back to square one on figuring out how the apocalypse is gonna start
Yup, he just had some thc in his system. It really sucks because a lot of people distort the narrative with the claims that he was on bath salts or PCP. It really downplays the mental health aspects of the tragedy and what could’ve been done to prevent it if he was getting the proper support and treatment.
Define Bath Salts. It could be any spin on any number of amphetamine like compounds. It’s just more bullshit, always has been. Yes fly by night grey zone drugs exist and have caused harm in some cases… but the bath salts panic is just like the satanic panic.
Guaranteed that dude was on drugs. There are several drugs that they don’t think to test for or that likely don’t show up in common toxicology reports like bath salts, flakka, tranq, that pink cocaine stuff from Venezuela, etc. There are a LOT of different drugs out there. Also, marijuana is known to trigger psychosis in people now as well.
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“nationally noted toxicologist Barry Logan said Eugene’s behavior was consistent with “bath salts” and that toxicologists “are not testing for everything that may be out there.””
interesting. thanks for sharing
Maybe he went crazy BECAUSE he was sober, nobody ever warns you about the dangers of chronic sobriety
If I recall, the formulation of the products was changing rapidly and completely because of the game of Whack-a-Mole that the manufacturers were playing with the government and legalization so the chemical and the effects of the chemical would shift entirely from one batch to another, sometimes even within the same product (government was outlawing specific molecules, the manufacturers would come out with new ones, etc.) and the medical examiners weren’t testing for everything at the time.
I believe that the general consensus is that he WAS on bath salts, but the type he had gotten was very new and wasn’t being tested for yet.
The thing to remember is that “bath salts” is a catch-all term for all of the weird synthetic gas station drugs you could buy at the time. It’s more accurate to say that he didn’t test positive for THE SPECIFIC TYPES that they tested for.
So, what are bath salts again? Like… I didn’t even buy it back then, but for real, what was the shit?
Maybe he was just a crazy guy but sober
“Bath Salts” Could be any number of designer drugs. They probably just weren’t looking for the right ones.
Just doin’ it for the love of the game
There is speculation that the “Miami Cannibal’s” reaction was the result of smoking a Synthetic Cannabinoid or “legal weed” that had maintained branding but changed ingredients to stay ahead of the wack-a-mole legislation that comes with trying to outlaw specific chemicals one at a time.
So someone buys “AK47 KUSH” (example) from a bodega, package is the same, but the synthetic cannabinoid inside is a completely new mixture. Person who has smoked said “brand” before has a completely different and violent reaction to this new strain.
Miami was (and is) a huge market for synthetic cannabinoids and possible that a first wave of new synthetics would land their first.
When a toxicology report is done post-mortem, often they are checking for a panel of specific drugs and would not be looking for the very specific synthetic cannabis, but may turn up traces of THC often found in such mixes.
Here’s an article from the New England Jornal of Medicine that breaks down exactly such a case where a new synthetic caused a wave of zombie-like symptoms upon release.
https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMoa1610300
Ol’ boy was just eating faces for the love of the game.
a number of undigested pills were discovered that have not been identified
Just wanna say for everyone highlighting the weed/psychosis theory: this is not a normal psychosis, obviously, and I have never heard of anyone getting superhuman strength and becoming cannibalistic to such an extent due to weed induced psychosis. Let’s change the stigma around psychosis please.
This information was released very quickly after the attack. I remember it well. They said the attacker only had marijuana in his system, so the attack was just mental illness, not drug induced.
But no one cared about the facts, because the story about a drug making people into cannibals was too tantalizing and sensational.
I can’t believe they wrongfully tarnished the bath salts reputation with such allegations! I didn’t buy any because of that! I gotta call my guy Chemist Steve for a plug real quick.
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If anyone is curious about the victim, he was able to recover with a bunch of skin grafts, his medical bills were apparently handled, but he is permanently blind and missing his nose. He also has a place to stay now at the hospital.
2 Cannibals are eating a Clown, one Cannibal turns to the other Cannibal and asks. “Hey, Do you taste anything funny?”
Because of this post, I learned today that there are two cannibal killers in Florida from the 2010s. I thought this was about Austin harrouff. His toxicology also came back normal.
Someone gave a group of my friends bath salts at a rave around 10 years ago and said it was Molly.
No one became a cannibal. It was awful though. Everyone was awake for 2-3 days. They all felt less intelligent for over a week afterwards.
There was also a group hysteria that everyone had contracted bed bugs.
No one was violent though.
They just created the bath salt panic to keep it all to themselves.
So he did it for the love of the game???
I thought it was flakka
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I’m old enough to remember when “bath salts” were items solely used for taking a bath. When the illicit drug version first emerged the media didn’t differentiate between the two. And people thought that literal bath salts were being abused, as opposed to a chemical concoction with the slang name “Bath Salts”.
Are we looking into this because of Dispatch? I haven’t heard about it for years and now all of a sudden it’s twice in two days
I think the most we can say is it’s inconclusive. Yes, “bath salts” are an umbrella term and testing for them is trying to hit a moving target, but that’s not proof he was on them, they’re just reasons to not discount the theory.
For me the real lesson is “any police officer is treated as an ‘official source’ by journalists, regardless of qualifications”. If I remember right, the bath salts theory was basically a guess by a beat cop that became national news.
(As a side note, this story always rubbed me the wrong way. It was immediately meme’d to death and the idea a drug is 100% responsible is way too convenient.)
20 years as ER physician we have no tests for bath salts. Would only pop if had amphetamines. I’m not sure what specific assays pathologists have for autopsy
Is he alive? Can they just ask what the fuck was he doing?
Did they test for CTE? Said he played football in high school? Could have been that along with other undiagnosed mental disorders.
Yes. This case was used to push through the new anti drug legislation. It wasn’t based in reality, but it was used to further control.
That was like one of the only things I knew about the Miami zombie
No bath salts, was just a Tuesday for Florida Man
When this happened there was a man in Miami who was about to release a new brand of “bath salts”. His brand was Ricky Ross fire ant killer. He spent close to a million dollars for the rights to use Rick Ross’s name (the real freeway Rick Ross). This guy not only helped pushed the bath salts narrative to news outlets ,but also insisted that the homeless gentleman did it on the Rick Ross fire ant killer product. This ended up skyrocketing sales of his product. I worked in the industry with his brother and watched it happen in real time.
Damn, my Halloween costume that year was inaccurate.
So strange nothing more came of this story. I remember thinking this was the start of the zombie apocalypse
The what now?
Wrong cannibal. The bath salts cannibal was Austin Harrouff in 2016. Stuart, FL
Sooo, why did he eat a face?
Well fuck, I thought we had the solution down pat, but apparently bath salts do not make zombies. Back to square one on figuring out how the apocalypse is gonna start
Yup, he just had some thc in his system. It really sucks because a lot of people distort the narrative with the claims that he was on bath salts or PCP. It really downplays the mental health aspects of the tragedy and what could’ve been done to prevent it if he was getting the proper support and treatment.
Define Bath Salts. It could be any spin on any number of amphetamine like compounds. It’s just more bullshit, always has been. Yes fly by night grey zone drugs exist and have caused harm in some cases… but the bath salts panic is just like the satanic panic.
Cops pushed weed and bath salts hard to basically crack down on drugs like they always have.
As somome who was petty active in the bathroom salt business back then we all knew prety quickly that it was not true.
I know all of these words individually
Big bath salt propaganda.
It’s because they didn’t test for them.
Guaranteed that dude was on drugs. There are several drugs that they don’t think to test for or that likely don’t show up in common toxicology reports like bath salts, flakka, tranq, that pink cocaine stuff from Venezuela, etc. There are a LOT of different drugs out there. Also, marijuana is known to trigger psychosis in people now as well.
THE MIAMI MUTILATOR!!!
Wow ok. I want some alpha pvp